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Yet again the fools in Government have got it massively wrong. Again the general public don't want what the fools are trying to push through, but of course as usual it will make absolutely no difference to them at all and they won't listen. They'll just barge ahead doing whatever they want.

This time it's the raising of GST to fund tax cuts for the highest tax bracket ... which of course includes all the selfish politicians and their greedy "big business" buddies. Just another case of rob the poor to give to the rich.

According to the results so far of the latest YourVoice survey:

What Government should be doing is introducing an even higher tax bracket where the greedy management scum on obscene salaries have to pay MORE tax (and including their bonuses and "perks"), not less.

I dont think the govt has got it wrong at all

it is trying to encourage kiwis to stop spending, buying un needed items like LCD TVs and luxuries and encouraging them to save. Too many "poor" families are drowning in debt due to HPS for luxeries, Store Cards, personal loans etc

I only earn $45k but the proposed tax cuts will see more $$$ in my pocket and Im hardly rich, a single hard working parent of 3 kids. Yet GST will only see my food bill go up by about $5ish dollars

I totally agree.

Gee buzz I don't like being called scum, I work hard, go away alot and we employee over 900 people and we give a lot back in education and to the community - none of my senior colleagues are greedy.

And as for being overpaid???? we dont get working for families instead I work and mrs blue works weekends.

I thought you had more common sense from your previous posts than to generalise - maybe old commy USSR is for you - not that they have many comps there!

GST is the only way they can get tax from all the drug money!!

And more maoney from tourists, and from the world cup.

Blue, I do not think you would fall into the mega rich area that will benefit the most from these changes. Some of those upper wages are VERY high... I think communism is one extreme - and what we have is the other, surely there could be a happier medium.
The difference between rich and poor is getting bigger and bigger, faster and faster.
I think they beleive we can compete in markets where they have people willing to work $1 a day - and would like to see us reduce wages so we can compete.

Why should those people that work their buts off to get somewhere in life and have security be called scum, they just know what they want and go for it. Please remember if it wasnt for some of that scum, there would be less jobs than there is now. I would be interested to know if you work and if so do you think your boss is scum because they are management? Also just remember that the scum you are busy putting down is the scum that authorises the competitions that you loves to enter and win from.

I dont totally agree with them raising GST, but I can see why they are doing it. I am very pleased they are not going to way of ozzie and makeing it on some stuff only. The only thing that worries me is how am I going to cope on what I get each week.

Isn't the GST being raised to 15% only a suggestion and/or possibility? Perhaps the govt has thrown these possibilities out there to get some kind of indication from the public of NZ? I don't know, just a suggestion, but they haven't confirmed it a certainty and it sure hasn't been passed into law yet.

And I don't know if its the best option or not, but I guess they're trying to come up with some ideas and solutions.

I am not sure that a your voice pole is a precise opinion of the people, or those colemar brunton poles either.. In any scenario, not just this one

This post has been edited by House elf: 21 February 2010 - 07:48 AM

I cant even get into this debate The whole GST increase is so disheartening.

I personally think there shouldn't be GST on healthy foods. If I have it right Australia doesn't have GST on these foods do they?

We are a 1 income family (not be choice, I'll also add. I was working but no longer have a job and finding the right hours and also being home before and after school is becoming a huge problem) feeding 4 of us with healthy foods. With the cost of food going up and the rise of GST it does hurt us a lot.

The government complain about the rise in obsity and health related issues and are quite happy to toss the idea of funding lapband operations but what about the preventitive? If they cut the GST on all health tick foods for example I'm sure more people would buy them. It's such a shame when you see trollies full of coke and chips because they are cheaper than buying milk and crackers and whole some filling bread.

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the way the question is worded the result is always going to be in favour of NO.
it just shows people don't like to pay more than they have to.

if the question was "would you be okay, if the PAYE rate was lowered to compensate for a GST increase? "
the result would be different.

that aside, a flat tax (eg GST), where only those that consume pays, is the fairest way to tax.

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some problems with this argument are
1/ this makes the tax system even more complex. this will require even more bureaucrats to administer (= more costs)
2/ "trusts" are legal & have a lower tax rate than the current highest tax rate, so the "scums" who all ready arrange their wealth this way don't pay anymore. an even higher bracket makes no difference.
3/ only more jobs for accountants

This post has been edited by zzz: 21 February 2010 - 09:29 AM

Jaycai there is a combo of things that do have and dont have GST. If some food is cooked it has GST on it but if you buy the same thing uncooked it doesnt have GST. If you buy takeaways like KFC to eat in then there is no GST if you buy it to take out then there is.

I could only find this for Ozzie

Broadly, the following are examples of GST-free supplies:

most health and medical care services
most educational services
most food for human consumption (other than prepared foods, confectionary, snacks, ice-cream, biscuits, alcohol, soft-drinks and certain other drinks)
certain activities of charities and related bodies
international travel and transport
sales of ‘going concerns’
certain dealings with land, and
exports of goods or services or other things if certain requirements are met.

KFC hardly qualifies for the 'healthy foods' I was meaning where I don't think there should be GST on. besides who the heck can afford take aways when the weekly grocery bill keeps going up can't actually remember the last time we had take aways

You also have to remember that increasing GST is only the start of it. Businesses paying GST won't simply take the hit from their own profits (some do claim back as much as they can), they're going to pass the extra cost onto their customers, which eventually means prices for everything will rise. People will also need / expect higher wages to pay this extra, and again the companies will not take the hit, so prices will rise. It's an artificially created greed-go-around that economy "experts" (the fools who get us into this ever increasing mess) like to call "inflation".

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If they are going to ask the question properly it would have to be:
Then the answer would be the same: NO!

Those on lower incomes are not getting any tax decrease. Increasing the benefits will not help all of those on low incomes to cope with an increase in GST - many people on lower incomes don't actually qualify for any benefits. Places like food banks are already complaning about increased need (and no funding!), and things are only going to get worse.

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Yep, only those that have to eat, heat their homes, etc., etc.

GST is simply a greed tax by the Government ... a Government / politicians that has already raised petrol tax, cancelled commmunity education funding, lowered / dropped funding for public schools, while raising funding for private schools, raised their own salaries, wasted money on polls they intended to ignore, bought new cars they didn't need, cheated on various "perks" to again increase their own wallets, trying to push through silly expensive pet projects (e.g. "Supercity", Rugby World Cup / waterfront stadiums), ... the list is near endless of their stupidity. Sack half of these unnecessary fools and they could get rid of GST completely.

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It's more or less a forgone conclusion now ... unless they do actually grow braincells and listen to what people are telling them.

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Great idea: let's all stop buying products, so that more companies have to go under, more people lose their jobs, more people need benefit assistance, so the Government then needs even more money in taxes ... Nope, it doesn't work. Simply more proof that the fools in high places never ever think things through properly.

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One of the biggest reasons Communism in Russia didn't work is because of selfish greed - as usual the scum in high places were more concerned with stuff their own pockets and scamming the system for all they could get, at everyone else's expense.

This post has been edited by Buzz Bumble: 21 February 2010 - 12:39 PM

Jaycai KFC was the only thing I could think of that has this kind of thing, there are probably other things that are healthy that are the same. The point I was making is if you buy something to take out it costs you more, which means all you have to say, is that its to eat in and there is no GST in other words the government loses (not that there is anything bad in that), which in my eye it is better to have it over everything except the required basics eg veges, bread milk.

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an interesting points but just
not true.
humans are not as logical and sensible as you would like to believe.

using the kfc example.
kfc is frequented predominantly by people of a lower economic background.
a bucket of kfc is nearly $30 and it amounts to approx one whole chicken.
however, a whole cooked chicken from a supermarket cost only $12.
logic and financial acumen dictates the people would only shop where the price is lower, but i don't foresee kfc going out of business any time soon.






r-keay also gives a list of exempt items in Australia which just proves it fraught with inconsistencies.

eg 1/ let's say no gst on carrots, but we mix the carrot with some other ingredients to make say a carrot cake. do we add gst on the cake? it maybe healthy, it may not be. who can and has time to decide?

eg 2/ let's say no gst on carrots, but we juice & bottle the carrot. do we add gst?
carrot juice is itself healthy, but a concentrate may have too much natural sugars. so is it no longer healthy? what to do?

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what you write is true.



but you are wanting a tax system which would mean only one term in office for any government.

you are wanting a tax system based on the principle that everybody should pay tax according to their means and receive services according to their needs. where everyone is taken care of from cradle to grave. well, this is The Norwegian tax system.



In Norway they have a progressive income tax (of up to 48%) AND a wealth tax on things you own, such as a house, bank deposits etc.

In addition, a "premium" is paid to the social security system to finance public hospitals, medical treatment and various social benefits.

BUT even they ...

have VAT, (our gst equivalent)
of up to 24 per cent of net price.




that means an indidvidual could be handing over 80% of their income to the government.

i can't see it happening here.

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It already is. By the time you add up income tax, GST, ACC levies, petrol tax, car licensing, etc., etc. we're already paying a huge amount of money to a mostly worthless bunch of lazy idiots in Wellington - it's simply hidden so that people don't fully see it.

The real reason for increasing GST is for the public to pay for the mistakes made by fools in charge of things like ACC investments who greedily put OUR money into higher risk investments than they should of, and then unsurprisingly lost it all when the stupid "economy" these fools create had a massive blowout. On top of that is all the money wasted on stupid pet projects and idiocies (the "anti-smacking survey" that they fully intended to ignore being just one example of MANY, MANY).

This post has been edited by Buzz Bumble: 22 February 2010 - 08:11 AM